Well make sure you budget for a lens …

by Roevie on October 3, 2009

Comment posted What’s A Good First Dslr ? by Button.

Well make sure you budget for a lens because cannon kit lenses aren’t always that good.
I would also decide what type of photography you’ll be doing. If you’re going to be doing a lot of nighttime photography where you need less noise and reliable performance at high ISO, the cannon is better – but if that’s not an issue, I think nikon produces stunning results (if you can get past the kit lens on the D40).
And when it comes down to it, it’s a matter of preference. Niether is going to let you down, in fact all of the major brands of DSLR are going to be good cameras.

Button also commented

  • the 40D or 40 Dx
    are good choices
  • The real question isn’t so much which camera you want but which lens system. The Canon 400D can use fast fixed lenses which are cheap and high quality — Nikon makes no such lenses which autofocus on the D40 (you can use them but manual focus only, which is frustrating). The D80 can autofocus with them but it’s more expensive than the other two bodies. The Nikon 18-55 kit lens is very good, and I’ve heard it’s better than Canon’s. Nikon makes a cheap 55-200VR telephoto which I own and it’s fantastic.
    Nikon and Canon are both excellent companies, so with either one you can’t go wrong. I own a D40 and it’s great, but if I could go back in time I might have bought the D80 instead for greater lens options. If you care about image quality, it’s more dependent on the lens than the camera anyway and DSLRS all have pretty similar sensors at the price range you’re looking at.
  • I have been using Canon SLRs for about 30 years without any problems so, when it came time for a “NEW” DSLR once again I picked a Canon…Digital EOS Rebel XTi. I was looking at a Nikon D40x but after my in-depth research, I chose the Canon over the Nikon for my first DSLR.
    The lens I chose with the XTi body was a Tamron 18-250 zoom. You can check out reviews, demos and prices at www.bbphotovideo.com I have been doing business with B&H for more then 25 years.
  • I believe Canon Rebel XTi is called 400D elsewhere in the world. I’ve used both Nikons and Canons; the definite choice is Canon. I think it is a bargain for all the features – self cleaning lens, 10.1 MP, DIGIC processor, etc. Canon is the only camera company that manufactures its own image processing IC, DIGIC and I think it helps the camera works better with other components inside compared to other manufacturer’s off-the-shelf LSI chips. In case there is a problem, it’s easier to repair, too. One thing I strongly recommend is that if possible, do not buy the all-in-one kit w/ starter lens. You will definitely grow out of such standard lens as 18 -55mm EF-S f/3.5-5.6 USM in about couple of weeks. Then, you will have to spend money again and buy a better lens. You should get the body itself without the lens and buy lens separately. They are well worth it even for a beginner. I don’t think you should get L-series (red circle) yet because they are very pricey. Good, all around lens would be EF-S17-85mm f4 – 5.6 IS USM which has image stabilizer. Make sure to get good filters for lens such as Hoya (around $ 20 – 30) and Canon hood. You should also get the LCD screen protector film (about $ 10). It protects from scratches and cracks on your viewing screen. One last recommendation is get the black colored body. It just looks more expensive and cooler than grey one. Good luck!!!

Recent comments by Button

  • Can You Help Me Select A “fast” Compact Digital Camera?
    No, the shutter speed has nothing to do with the experience you are referring to. There are three things you can measure that give you an estimate of how “quick-responding” a camera feels to the user:
    1. The power-on time. The time it takes from the moment you press the On button, to the moment it’s ready to take the first picture.
    2. The shutter lag. Measured from the moment you press the shutter release, to the moment it actually captures the picture.
    3. The shot-to-shot time. This is what Floyd G is referring to in one of your other answers.
    I think the most important measurement in your case is number 2 above. Actually, there are two ways to measure shutter lag. The first is the total time it takes the camera to focus on the subject and then take the picture. The second is the time it takes just to take the picture, after you have pre-focused the camera by pushing the shutter release half-way. If you are just a casual point-and-shooter, then the total time is what’s important to you.
    You usually won’t find the shutter lag mentioned in the manufacturer’s specifications, except where a short shutter lag time is one of the selling features of the camera. Instead, you should look at reviews such as www.dpreview.com.
    My recommendation for a camera with a short shutter lag time is the Fujifilm FinePix F30. Also, most cameras by Ricoh are also good in this respect. In fact, most of today’s cameras have lower shutter lag times than cameras of a few years ago. There are still a few that have long shutter lag, so be careful.
  • Can You Help Me Select A “fast” Compact Digital Camera?
    No.
    What you quoted for the Kodak camera was the ‘shutter’ speed. That is, the amount of time the camera takes in light to the sensor. Modern digital cameras no longer have a classic film shutter, but the name carries on.
    The important variables in how fast a digital camera can cycle through saving images to the memory card is the speed of the computer chip in the camera (a hard thing to find out about) and the type and speed of memory card the camera uses.
    Generally speaking, the more complex and large the image size is, the more processing power you’ll need to process and save the image.
    I now use Olympus digital cameras due to the price and the general quality of the hardware and image results. Their memory cards come in different ‘speeds’ as well, allowing large RAW images to save to memory as fast as possible.
    When I shoot an 11 megabyte RAW format, it can take six seconds to save, but that’s offset by the ultra fine quality of the finished image.
    Good luck with your choice!
  • Can You Help Me Select A “fast” Compact Digital Camera?
    Sony cybershot…..above 6.mega pixel
    Canon also ok..8.1 pixel
  • Can You Help Me Select A “fast” Compact Digital Camera?
    Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-W5 5.1-Megapixel Digital Camera – Fast and Easy to Use
    The camera is extremely fast in operation. The camera takes less than a second to power itself on in either review or shooting mode. It feels almost instantaneous. It can capture images at about 1.2-1.7 per second in burst mode. In single-frame mode, the camera could snap pictures as fast as I could push the shutter release button – about one a second. The focusing takes much less than a second and the shutter lag (the time between the moment you push the button and the moment when the picture is taken), when pre-focused, is almost unnoticeable.
    Recommendation: I recommend Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-W5 if you want a cool yet capable camera with 5.1-megapixel resolution and huge LCD screen that produces excellent photos with print sizes of up 11×14 inches. It is extremely fast and easy to use.
  • Buying Camcorder Or Digital Camera?
    you should get a digital camera because you can take pictures with you newborn that are high-quality and you can take videos also. go to wal-mart or best buy or where ever you go and ask how long much video memory is there. if you can’t find a digital camera that has enough video than definitely get the video camcorder. you don’t want to to mess up your wife’s video. if you do you’ll be paying it off for the rest of your life.

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treejjp October 3, 2009 at 4:29 pm

I believe Canon Rebel XTi is called 400D elsewhere in the world. I’ve used both Nikons and Canons; the definite choice is Canon. I think it is a bargain for all the features – self cleaning lens, 10.1 MP, DIGIC processor, etc. Canon is the only camera company that manufactures its own image processing IC, DIGIC and I think it helps the camera works better with other components inside compared to other manufacturer’s off-the-shelf LSI chips. In case there is a problem, it’s easier to repair, too. One thing I strongly recommend is that if possible, do not buy the all-in-one kit w/ starter lens. You will definitely grow out of such standard lens as 18 -55mm EF-S f/3.5-5.6 USM in about couple of weeks. Then, you will have to spend money again and buy a better lens. You should get the body itself without the lens and buy lens separately. They are well worth it even for a beginner. I don’t think you should get L-series (red circle) yet because they are very pricey. Good, all around lens would be EF-S17-85mm f4 – 5.6 IS USM which has image stabilizer. Make sure to get good filters for lens such as Hoya (around $ 20 – 30) and Canon hood. You should also get the LCD screen protector film (about $ 10). It protects from scratches and cracks on your viewing screen. One last recommendation is get the black colored body. It just looks more expensive and cooler than grey one. Good luck!!!

gretsch1 October 3, 2009 at 9:05 pm

I have been using Canon SLRs for about 30 years without any problems so, when it came time for a “NEW” DSLR once again I picked a Canon…Digital EOS Rebel XTi. I was looking at a Nikon D40x but after my in-depth research, I chose the Canon over the Nikon for my first DSLR.
The lens I chose with the XTi body was a Tamron 18-250 zoom. You can check out reviews, demos and prices at http://www.bbphotovideo.com I have been doing business with B&H for more then 25 years.

Button October 4, 2009 at 12:06 am

Well make sure you budget for a lens because cannon kit lenses aren’t always that good.
I would also decide what type of photography you’ll be doing. If you’re going to be doing a lot of nighttime photography where you need less noise and reliable performance at high ISO, the cannon is better – but if that’s not an issue, I think nikon produces stunning results (if you can get past the kit lens on the D40).
And when it comes down to it, it’s a matter of preference. Niether is going to let you down, in fact all of the major brands of DSLR are going to be good cameras.

Eric Ford October 4, 2009 at 3:35 am

The real question isn’t so much which camera you want but which lens system. The Canon 400D can use fast fixed lenses which are cheap and high quality — Nikon makes no such lenses which autofocus on the D40 (you can use them but manual focus only, which is frustrating). The D80 can autofocus with them but it’s more expensive than the other two bodies. The Nikon 18-55 kit lens is very good, and I’ve heard it’s better than Canon’s. Nikon makes a cheap 55-200VR telephoto which I own and it’s fantastic.
Nikon and Canon are both excellent companies, so with either one you can’t go wrong. I own a D40 and it’s great, but if I could go back in time I might have bought the D80 instead for greater lens options. If you care about image quality, it’s more dependent on the lens than the camera anyway and DSLRS all have pretty similar sensors at the price range you’re looking at.

Elvis October 4, 2009 at 10:13 am

the 40D or 40 Dx
are good choices

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